So I know this has nothing to do with animal rights but I wanted the opinions from fellow vegans and vegetarians on this. What do you think about abortion? I am 100% pro-life and because I know many of us support the idea of life preservation for all walks of life, I am interested to know how you feel about this matter.
I do not agree 100 percent with abortion, but I am pro- choice. They are fetuses, not yet babies. Every day there are mass resources being wasted, the earth is guzzled up, destroyed, and manipulated. No matter how green you are, you still contribute to this. The population is growing FAST. The more people= more destruction. Every day about 40,000 abortions take place in the US. We would have 280,00 more people a WEEK in the Us if it werent for abortion. Or 700,00 lbs of trash on top of what we have now.
Rape. One in five women is raped. Many victims dont WANT to be pregnant. Its long ( a year), tiring, painful, uncomfortable, and expensive. What if they cannot afford a child? Would the kid have to grow up on welfare? Or, would the mom have to face the hard desicion of giving him up for adoption, never to know her own childs fate. At the same time the child is well the result of a bad experience. To look at your child and know that the child was created by someone that abused you is horrible. Knowing what your father did would be horrible to the child too. Then, worse of all, if you are raped as a child. Just imagine being pregnant in middle school and high school. BREAST FEEDING AT 14???? Kids making fun of you? Having to spend your time on your prenancy instead of having fun?
What if you are poor? I would rather never be born than not have a warm bed or food to eat.
I am not saying that you should get an abortion. I am just saying that people should have the choice to get one. If you are against abortion, your kids better be an adoption. That is my honest opinion. I am not trying to offend anyone here! I am 4 peace!!
@Styna Thank you for appreciating this topic! I was actually second guessing posting something like this because I know just how heated things get and I would hate to be the cause of an argument among people I respect. But I truly wanted to know how my fellow vegs feel about this because we share similar beliefs so thank you so much for sharing.
Now I understand what you mean and I agree fully. So many people are just too irresponsible to have children, at any age. But what I see in people in today’s world is that they genuinely don’t think or don’t care about the consequences of their decisions. People just take having a child for granted without considering the seriousness of bringing a life into the world. They also don’t evaluate themselves or their situation to analyze whether or not they can support a child in all areas.
As for babies having babies, I can say that many people my age who are in high school or have already dropped out are getting pregnant without so much as a thought given to the future of a child or the STD’s they may be contracting. I try not to judge to harshly on this matter because I also know several mothers (my mom included) who have had children in their teens and have provided for them in all areas. My mother had three kids and was a single mother and had never once relied on government assistance so it really comes down to the parents. My father is in jail now and my half-sister from him is nowhere to be found. Her mother was on drugs while she was pregnant and while the baby seems to be alright, she is lactose intolerant and we cannot find either of them so we do not know if she is getting the nutrients she needs while not being fed anything that could harm her. So I completely understand your point on irresponsible people having children.
The funny things is so much of these problems come from the character of a person which is directly affected by how one was raised. And although there is something to say for the many people who can pull themselves out of poverty or whatever their situation may be, it still does not change the fact that many people are raised to think wrong of their life and abilities.
I live in a very sexist family were women are treated as the emotional mothers who must serve the husband hand and foot while keeping their femininity perfected (which is odd because my mother and grandmother are the only ones working yet they do everything expected of a housewife as well). This has created me into somewhat of a feminist and although I want to have children, I will never partake in that unless I know that I can support them and raise them in a loving nonjudgmental family. That being said I also have various things I want to do in life that I need to do before ever having children. These things need to be thought out by everyone and it is truly unfortunate that they are not and that leads to unhappy, poorly taken care of, and wrongly raised children.
Thank you again for conversing with me! I love hearing different opinions that have logical reasoning behind them and you have definitely given me that.
I suppose I should have clarified a little, when I said irresponsible procreation. I really do understand that some people desperately want/need to have their “own” children. And I certainly understand how being told you can’t have children would be devastating. I don’t think anyone should be told they can’t have sex with someone they love, and Planned Parenthood offers free condoms, you just have to walk in and ask – they also offer free birth control to low income women (I was on it when I was 17, because it was supposed to make my period less painful. It didn’t -.-). When I was in school in Maine for a short time (high school, that is), they actually handed out condoms to the students. It baffled me, but the pregnancy rate was much lower there than it was at the school in Ohio I graduated from, where they -didn’t- offer any kind of help like that.
When I say irresponsible procreation, I really mean the irresponsible promiscuity that we see so much of today. I’m not slut shaming, or anything. I actually have no problem with people who are open and free with their sexuality… but when they are irresponsible, that’s when it becomes a problem. Not just with pregnancy, but also with the spread of STD’s. There are far too many people having lots of sex with lots of different partners, and not using any sort of protection. Then they seem to be surprised when a baby or an STD comes into the picture *shakes head*. Just wrap it up, people! Geeeeze.
I also realize that poverty is a huge issue. Personally, I would want to make sure that my life is as stable as possible, and that I’m able to sufficiently provide for a child before having one. Of course, that’s not so much an issue with adoption, because it’s freaking expensive right off the bat, and the adoption agencies make do pretty hardcore screening of the candidates. I’m not in a place mentally, physically, or financially, right now that anyone would even consider allowing me to adopt a child.
And while there are probably a lot of people living in poverty who have children because they genuinely want to, I also think a lot of it simply goes back to irresponsibility – people have unprotected sex.
Again, not saying people should just stop having sex. While that is the only fool-proof method to avoid pregnancy, sex really -is- a basic human instinct, and deny people of that would just be ridiculous. But at this point, everyone should be aware of the risks related, and they should take precautions to prevent them. Like using condoms.
The other thing, is babies having babies. The high school I graduated from was in an extremely small town. It was pretty “old school”, and a lot of people were raised with the beliefs that women needed to be housewives and mothers. Now, if that’s a woman’s life goal, I have nothing against that. I do eventually want to be married, and adopt children, but there are also a lot of things I want to do in life before that. And again, I’d want to ensure that I’m in a point in life where I could provide a comfortable and happy life for the children.
And while there are a loooot of younger women (high school age) who end up pregnant because they were simply having unprotected sex, there are also some of them who genuinely want to get pregnant as soon as possible. They are still technically children themselves, living at home, without any sort of income… I don’t think anyone could deny that this is irresponsible, plain and simple.
Basically – I believe people should try to ensure that they are in a place (financially and emotionally) where they can actually provide for the children, without relying on the government or their own parents. (I’m not saying accepting government or family help is wrong, or shameful. I myself am on government food stamps, and I ONLY have a comfortable living situation right now because my dad left me a house in his will. I’d be living in a tiny apartment in the ghetto right now, otherwise. But I wouldn’t want to be -relying- on government help and family help in order to raise a child). I do understand that the economy is super shitty, right now – and people who are raised into poverty or crappy situations are not always aware how to try to make their lives better. I was raised poor, but I was extremely lucky to have a mother who was very creative in figuring out how to “get by”. Wow… I just realized that sounds a little bit like prostitution or stripping lol. (We cleaned houses in California. I was an impersonator in Washington. There was a looot of making and selling crafts, and selling clothes and books on ebay that we found at thrift stores and garage sales.) I think a huuuuuge problem in poverty is that soooo many people are truly raised to believe that they will never be able to escape from it. The lack of “normal” jobs, really backs up that theory, too. But there is always a way, and I think it’d be helpful to a lot of people if there was some sort of program that helped them become familiar with all the options. But I do think it’s irresponsible for someone to accept poverty as a lifestyle, bring children in while intending to rely on the government, and then essentially raise those children with the same beliefs. It’s not fair to the child to raise them thinking that all they have is all they’ll ever have, and that there’s nothing they can do to change it.
Now, back to the original topic of abortion… while my opinion of it is the same, I would like to add that I fully believe everything should be more focused on prevention of the “unwanted” pregnancies, as opposed to the aborting of them. If people would stop being so irresponsible (meaning, having unprotected sex and just HOPING that they don’t get pregnant or ill), it would certainly help a lot to greatly reduce the amount of abortions performed.
@newyork409 – I really want to thank you for starting and participating in a truly civilized discussion about this. The reason I waited a few days to submit my first response, is because it’s very easy for these kinds of conversations to turn verbally violent, very quickly, and I generally try to avoid those kinds of things, because they just go in circles -.- But I really am interested in reading honest, thought out opinions on the matter, especially from the opposing side.
So thank you
@lizforanimalrights16 Exactly! My best friend who is 16 was told that she will not be able to have children and she is having her ovaries removed very soon. She is devastated and completely heart broken. @Styna as well, adoption is amazing and I agree that so many children are without homes and parents to take care of them and that is unacceptable. However, having a child is an extraordinarily important decision for a couple and I would not want to be told that I could not have a biological child with my significant other because of over population. That is too much control. I do not consider having a biological child “irresponsible procreating” because for many parents it is a decision filled with love. People who live in poverty procreate and this causes more and more lives to be born into deplorable conditions but I will not deny mine, nor anyone else’s choice to have their own children. I want to have biological children and I will never look at them as an irresponsibility on my part because they are precious, like all life. Having children is more than instinctual, it is a bond that you have with your child before they are even conceived. It is wanting to hold a piece of yourself and your partner in your arms and giving them all the love in the world. I promote adoption and I can fully see your point of view but I could never look someone in the eye and tell them that because two people who lived in poverty had sex and had a baby, they are not allowed to have their own children. It is also not the fault of people born in poverty. Yes, the have children and yes, those children are poor off but I could not tell someone not to have sex with the person they loved. That’s not my right. A solution could be providing birth control and condoms to third world countries. There are so many problems within our world but I do not think control is a rational option. Rather, people should approach things with solutions that do not destroy life nor control personal decisions.
On the same topic, over-population is a very real issue these days. There are millions of children all over the world who grow up in orphanages, or abusive homes, or homeless because there aren’t enough homes for them to go to.
When people can’t have children, they really ought to stop using the option of surrogacy – because they are bringing in a new child, when there are sooo many children who need to be adopted. But they do it, because they want the child to be “theirs”.
They also take the health of the biological parents into account, and think of how many people are on drugs, or have significant medical health problems that would prevent someone from wanting to adopt their child.
I have -always- wanted to adopt, because I’ve always been very aware of the issue that so many kids need homes. In a previous relationship, I told my boyfriend that I wanted to adopt. I was very opposed to the idea of bringing in a new life, and denying a loving home to a life that already existed. His exact words were “I’m ok with adoption, but I also want to have one of my own.”
…To me, that says “I’m going to love my biological child more than my adopted child.” I understand the human instinct to procreate, but our world is in a position where we need to STOP irresponsibly procreating, and give homes to all of the children who need them.
My current S.O. and I fully plan on adopting when the time is right, with no desire to have biological children.
@newyork409 That’s actually the main reason why I am strictly against abortion. If you don’t need to have one for a medical problem but don’t want the child then please pick adoption. I really do have something against women who simply get abortions as a form of birth control or because they don’t want the baby. These women are so lucky, there are thousands of women who CAN’T give the miracle of life and you throw it away? Do you know how many women in this world are infertile? These women would give anything (trust me) to have a baby in their arms, to them a baby is a gift. These women would cherish the baby like no other mom, they know how important a baby is. I always like to tell women who are pro-choice this: Until they tell you that you can’t give the miracle of life, you will NEVER understand what it feels like to see a women abort her ‘mistake’ instead of giving them to a great home. Some thing for gays and lesbian couples, they can’t have kids and to see others kill them because they don’t want them or because they were a ‘drunk mistake’ it’s heartbreaking. You will never understand how abortion kills unless you can’t give the miracle of life. I always encourage people to please pick adoption because you won’t kill an innocent human and you’ll make a couple (and your child) happy.
@Styna When it comes to medical reasons I can understand having an abortion though I would never have one even if my life was threatened. I don’t believe women or girls who get raped should have an abortion because as I see it, if they kill an unborn child, they are no better than the person who raped them. I think giving them up for adoption would be the most ethical decision in that case. I would personally never get an abortion and although I think its wrong, I would never try to force someone out of it if that is what they choose. I don’t like pushing my beliefs on others either so I see what you mean. @lizforanimalrights16 I agree fully! I just think there are way to many families who want but can’t have kids to just throw a life away without giving it a chance.
I am pro-choice, but I am fully against the idea of using abortion as a form of birth control – if that makes sense.
There are many medically necessary reasons to have an abortion. Also, in cases of rape, I think if the woman gets pregnant, she should be allowed to have an abortion if she chooses. And I wouldn’t hold it against someone if they took precautions against pregnancy, such as condoms or the pill – if they were actually being responsible in trying to prevent pregnancy.
However, when people use no protection whatsoever, and are being promiscuous, I think abortion is a very irresponsible decision, and I don’t approve – but I would never say that they shouldn’t be legally allowed to have an abortion.
It’s not my place to push my beliefs onto other people, especially if it could directly affect their life.
Whether abortion is legal or not, people will still have them – I’d rather the people who choose to have them, be able to have them done in a safe environment.
I am personally also against abortion and pro-life. I don’t believe abortion is acceptable because it’s cruel, immoral, inhumane, and murderous. I don’t believe in killing animals for human benefit in the same sense, I don’t believe in killing baby humans simply for their benefit. Unless it’s for medical reasons, abortion in my opinion, is simply unacceptable and immoral.
I support abortion for a long list of reasons but put simply it give gender equality and is a bodily right to all women. Without it, it forces “the unwilling to bear the unwanted” and what do you think would happen then?