One of the saddest things I’ve heard from people is “meat eaters can love animals, too” (often accompanied with “well, if you just participate in meatless mondays, you’re doing enough!”)
I mean, since when does love equal murder? Since when does “I love my cat” mean “I love animals”? There are other animals out there and just because someone is nice to their pet does not mean you’re an “animal lover”. Love, compassion? These things are held by people who wouldn’t needlessly kill and exploit others for a snack, a piece of clothing, or some entertainment.
How do you respond to these sorts of people?
How do you get them to see that a meat eater (or anyone who exploits animals through other means, like leather, dairy, etc.) can’t really say they “love animals”?
Oh gosh don’t even say that that is the biggest lie ever!! (Okay, anger’s out)
Man, I HATE when people say that!! It’s like “If you love kids, would you beat them to a point where you kill them?” Maybe people think animals and humans are different. Hmmm…
And also, apparently pigs/chickens/turkeys/cows are different from cats/dogs/birds. But wait, chicken’s a bird, right? So should they even be separated? Again, hmmm…
How do I respond? By saying “but you wouldn’t eat your cat/dog”. One vegetarian girl got all mad over this and she thought I was crazy for her “not doing enough”. And a different veg girl supported her and said “it’s okay”, when she was the president of the Animal Club at our school!
Because I never had a real close animal companion, I don’t really know what it feels like to have a dog or a cat. But that doesn’t mean I’m okay with them or cows/pigs freezing out in the cold and being tortured. I’m vegan because I think every animal deserves to live. And saying that usually makes them shut up
I don’t think that is true for everyone. If someone buys meat that does not mean they are killing the animal. That animal will be dead if someone buys that meat or not and eventually someone will end up buying that meat for many reasons. But for some people that buy meat, if you gave them a choice they can buy the meat but the catch is you have to kill it yourself… there will be some people that will rather have non meat then meat if they actually had to kill it themselves. There is always other views and points to a lot of this, and really there is no wrong or right answer but someone can always argue with what other people say & it doesn’t give neither of them the choice to decide what answer is better or right.
“I don’t think it’s right at all to say that someone who eats meat can’t truly love animals.
I would agree more with a statement like “those who -KILL- animals can’t truly love them” ”
By paying for animals to be killed, we are killing them.
We are only distancing ourselves from the reality of the situation by saying otherwise.
Loving some animals is not loving all animals. An “animal lover” that pays for animals to die should specify that they love some animals and wish torture upon the rest.
I think it’s very important not to let animal abusers get away with thinking “animal lover” is a correct term for how they feel. “Cat lover”, “dog lover”, or “pet lover”, but not “animal lover”.
You ask the right question, ’cause this kind of people is everywhere…
I’m volunteering for the SPCA in the exotic department and I can tell you that I meet a lot of jerks…
They come to adopt a dog and when they passed by the exotic room, they just say something like “oh! look at all those bunnies! why don’t they just free them in the wild?” or “ew… I’m more cats and dogs.” or just some stupid animal breeder who comes to find a beautiful rabbit for rabbit-farming.
I mean…yeah, some meat eaters can actually love animals, but they are not loving enough or just loving the wrong way, like a hunter who loves his dogs, but kills other animals for fun.
I think that what you can say to them is by telling then the similarities of the animals by comparing it to the humans, for example: baby elephants grabs their parent’s tail so they won’t get lost. It’s the same thing as a human child. Give lots of examples like this so they can see that the only difference between wild animals and our cats and dogs is just the fact that cats and dogs are domesticated, so we are closer to them compared to a tiger or a giraffe…
Normally I will not try to argue with those people because they will try to give themselves a good conscience by saying nonsense and some just what to have the last word. You can try to tell them that every animal deserves to be treated as a living being and not a stock for merchandise, but they will not agree with you right away. They are like a child that hasn’t opened his eyes yeet to see what’s going on around him.
Anyone who wasn’t born and raised vegan WAS one of those people at some time.
I can honestly say I felt the exact same way about animals then as I do now.
I -LOVED- them and still do.
But I was oblivious to everything that is required to put a piece of steak on my table. I just didn’t know. When I found out, I went vegan.
So I think it completely depends on the situation.
My mom is an animal lover. She truly loves animals. She has rescued and rehomed so many, I lost count ages ago. She puts them before herself, and would rescue any type of animal (We’ve taken in bats, moles, mice, wild birds, pretty much everything short of jungle animals). She has tried many times to go vegan, but always fails.
I don’t think that means she doesn’t love animals. She was just raised to disassociate the piece of meat on her plate with the live being that it came from (as most people were raised to do), and so when she fails, that is what she does.
If she were to take in a cow, it would probably stop her from eating beef. Same with pigs and chickens.
I don’t think it’s right at all to say that someone who eats meat can’t truly love animals.
I would agree more with a statement like “those who -KILL- animals can’t truly love them”
Yeah I think people who eat meat can still love animals all animals even the ones they eat ! Call me crazy I don’t care, it’s just how I feel. The people that dedicate their lives to rescuing animals that could end up risking their own life, that’s love & some of them don’t even get paid for it . Like some of the animal police I saw guys go into a deep tunnel full of mud to save a pup, that most likely was going to die because it was a newborn . But he went in anyway risking his own life on line. When you are willing to risk your life for an animal whether you eat meat or not you can love animals. Even doing something for a cow in that matter, and still eat beef can still mean you love a cow because if you didn’t you let that cow out of danger it could have gotten serious hurt. But people who love animals and are vegan and do the activities to help them love them too duh, but in a better way. But love is love and you can’t really judge what people’s love is if your not in their shoes & in their mind.
When I was little I didn’t consider eating meat cruel, nor animal skins. But now I’m educated on how animals are treated I changed my ways. There are hunters that say they “love” animals although they kill them, I try not arguing with them because it often results in a headache. I usually ask if they have a pet, if they say yes then I ask if they would eat them too.(:
I’m actually having the same problem, it’s terrible isn’t it? /: I do love animals, life in general, I mean, I can’t even kill a bug, let alone a cow, pig, chicken, etc. I actually got into a big argument with one of my carnie friends over this the other day, he said he loved animals and I asked which ones? And he just kept giving me BS answers. I asked all kinds of questions like what separates friends from food? Why? And etc, I mean, I was honestly trying to understand until he got mad about it and said that meat has never done anything to him so he won’t stop eating it, at which point I asked him if he’s ever thought of what he was doing to the animals it came from, and after that he just got all angry and defensive and started getting personal, so I just quit talking to him. I know I pissed him off, but I hope that conversation at least got him thinking. I do know exactly what you mean though, I would say to just ask them about their beliefs until they just shut down, it won’t necessarily change anything, but what really will? IMO the only reason people react that way is because once they think about what they’re doing, they know it’s wrong. So yeah, my advice to you would just to ask questions, who cares if they don’t like em? At least you got them thinking. I mean, I’ll let you know if I find any real answers, but I just wanted to give my two cents and to say that you’re not alone in this. Best of luck to you.
My family was really bad about calling their selves animal lovers. They are HUNTERS. I had to explain to my dad that he might love domesticated pets but he doesn’t really love animals. Depending on the meat eater they could consider this statement insulting so be careful how you word it. Mostly love is just how people view it though,so even though we might all agree with you. In the end its only the person themselves that can say what they love or don’t love because its whatever their definition of love is.
“I love animals” is one of the many terms that usually isn’t to be taken completely literally.
Most people who say this will quickly admit that they don’t love vampire bats or hagfish or hyenas or vultures (or the millions of insects that technically qualify as animals).
Rather they are usually referring to a fairly short list of animals that their culture has tagged as loveable animals (usually cute an furry but not always), and the person they’re speaking to knows they are likely referring to such a list.
It’s also not uncommon to find people who use this term simply to indicate that they find animals fascinating. They might not have any compassion for them at all.
With all that said, there is certainly something very wrong with people who fight for animal rights or welfare while still consuming animal products.
My feelings about these people vary according to how much they actually know about the meat & dairy industry.
I’m quite bothered if I find that they know all the dirty details and have seen the factory farms (or videos of the factory farms) and yet still have that disconnect (that most of us are programmed to have) which allows them to consume the bodies & excretions of tortured and murdered animals as though it’s just normal food.