@foxiefox

I think what will happen to the SMALL FARMERS is that fewer and fewer people will become farmers with each generation until that profession no longer exists.
What will happen to the BIG BUSINESSES is that fewer and fewer animals will be bred until the population is small enough to be transferred to sanctuaries.

@foxiefox are you even vegitarian?? because you seem pretty darned determined to protect the meat industry and keep making sure there’s people out there murdering animals. why would you sign up for peta if you are just going to disagree with everyone?? And think of it this way. If there is not enough water for meat, the amount of good meat is going to go down. and lets say a farmer can only make crap dehydrated meat. they are going to go out of buisness. Howeer instead of sitting therre and slowly starving to death, he is going to GO OUT A GET AN ETHICAL JOB.
back to the point of good meat going down. there will be less meat ,and because farmers still need money to live (duh) the prices are going to go up and up until they are outrageously high and who is going to waste there money on murder-i mean meat, when there is cheaper vegan options out there. so basically farmers will slowly sell thee farm (and by doing that they will get money, which will be used to supportthereself) and go out, buy a house, and get a good, well paying job. And honestly, you can be on the side of 100 farmers every 80 years, or 620 million animals every week. pick your side (and if its not the animals, why are you here?)

Foxiefox, take these simple points into account:
- If no one is buying meat, the farmers no longer have any livelihood. Keeping a business of animal slaughter would no longer be “economically feasible”.
- The government ALREADY SUBSIDIZES the meat industry. Seeing as plant based agriculture is more sustainable in terms of resources (land, water, feed) they would need a small subsidization than they are already getting. But if they needed more, it exists because they’ve been getting that much for years.
- Saying something is never going to happen is just protecting the torture that happens within the industry. In the past, we never thought women would get the right to vote, to schooling, to their own body. But all these things continue to happen. The change will happen with or without you.

@foxiefox: you are missing the point. The point of gradual veganism is that there would be fewer meat farmers with each generation-they would get out of a failing business. Then the money that would have gone to subsidize that industry from the government can instead be a one-time investment to get them new jobs and livelihoods.

Vegancaramel, No i think you are missing the Point when it comes to the world of farming gradual change is not something that is economically fesiable for someone whos Lively hood depends on what ever they grow Be it meat or Crops. And were would this money to subsidize come from? Is PETA going to Fork out the money to every farmer out there who raises meat to get them to swtich to growing crops?Like i said its a nice dream but the world is never going to go All vegan its just not possible. Again there are people out there whos diet consists of almost only meat. they can not grow crops nor are they anywere near a store. So Its just never going to happen

@foxiefox, you seem to completely be missing the point that gradual change is different from changing in one day. The initial costs could be subsidized with the money that would otherwise be going to the large costs of trying to balance animal agriculture. The only difference is that they would get that money back, because sustainable agriculture is not an economic detriment, but a benefit.

Vegancaramel I Know the US is not the only county suffering or haveing suffered a Economic problems.. And yes I know farmers and ranchers are smart About there buisness grew up on a ranch myself Raised my own food from Veggies to animals. But you and other need to realize it takes money and ALOT to stop growing one thing and turn around and grow another. Lets say a cattle rancher decides to stop Raising beef and wants to get into Crop farming. Well he sells off all his cattle At the moment as of today are going between 75.00 and 125.00 Thats whole animal not per pound. So there loosing money there. then they have to Sell off all The equipment they have Then they have to let the land rest for at least a year before they can plow it to Start growing corn then you have to figure there going to need all the tractors and harvestors it takes to Grow and harvest corn
A tractor Will set you back around 40,000,a seeder another 20,000, Irrigation which can run up into the 100,000s, A corn harvestor which are very expensive they can go up to the 100,000 range. So its not that easy for a Farmer to Just switch from Livestock to crops. It takes money and with the drought we are facing here in the USA bad prices for everything from Meat to crops its Not just a easy thing to say oh they can switch.

“*either be retired or dead.* I thought yesterday you said you cared about all humans yet here you are saying they can die? thats not very humanitarian of you…”

I’m not saying you kill them, my God. If they’re 60 and in 50 years everyone went vegan, they would be 110, which means they would be dead.

Unless you forgot, all humans die. Yeah, humans CAN physically die, wow! No brainer.

Also, that’s way too much blind American patriotism to assume that the US is the only country that has suffered any economic downturn in the last decade or so. I’m not saying “who gives a hoot”, I’m saying stop assuming farmers are idiots and give them some credit that they could switch to a more profitable and less unethical business.

Vegancaramel
The farmers are a legit concern i know you Kids are young and do not understand the way the world works But YOU have to realize your Taking away someones livelyhood also if i rember right you do not live in the USA? so you probly do not realize what or economy is like at the moment. We have a HIGH unemployment rate, People loosing there homes and Familys Living on the streets. So just saying who gives a hoot about someone loosing there income they can retire or die
*either be retired or dead.* I thought yesterday you said you cared about all humans yet here you are saying they can die? thats not very humanitarian of you…

I hate when people think “what about the farmers!” is a legitimate concern.
1. Worldwide veganism does not happen overnight. They have years, even decades to find a new career.
2. Farmers are not idiots, most understand supply and demand and know how to practice vegetative agriculture. Their products would be less subsidized, they would have a higher control of their own output. Farmers know how to do more than one thing. If they are older, and did not receive the proper education to do anything else in their life, by the time a greater switch to veganism is made they will either be retired or dead.
3. We can’t put off change just because there’s a hypothetical farmer out there who might suffer minor losses. Lest we forget, that hypothetical farmer makes a living off of torturing and slaughtering animals.

Animal farmers in modern economy are removed from the economic system by subsidizing. Subsidizing from the government which inevitably cripples the economy BECAUSE it is not a sustainable system at all. It uses too many resources and produces too much waste.

The real misunderstanding about life and the economy comes from people who think farming is beneficial rather than a severe drag on the nation’s wealth.

@Whiskey Farming is profitable because of government subsidies that keep corn 2 prices down. The business’ price is pushed down by the fact that the government is using taxpayer money to support it. If they just take their last profits and don’t reinvest it in meat, but rather in something else, they will be able to obtain another livelihood. Also, if you are concerned about the corn 2 farmers now, be aware that they make very little from corn bought, and in all, it’s a sucky life too, and they can find better ones. If we eliminate that industry, gross inventions like high fructose corn syrup will no longer appear in all processed food, and there will less fertilizer runoff into rivers like the Mississippi.

Ok, so lets use Peacelovepie theory… you shrink the population down till its non-existent basically, what about the farmers who’s lives are those animals? Not all their land can be transformer into fields. How are you going to fix the economy so they can still live? Farmers struggle already.. I mean look at the drought… if that happened again that’s less veggies and fruit… so what happens then? Does anyone even care about the lives of the people who care for those animals? Do people not realize the economy is horrible and there are many jobless people out there already, some losing homes due to lack of money?

Sorry if ya’ll think I’m trolling but I’m trying to get a grip on how ya’ll are thinking. Seems like everyone misses crucial parts of economy and life.

foxiefox: we are not planning for the world to instantly go vegan. It will gradually happen, and each generation of animals will shrink and shrink.

Peacelovepie.. I understand that less animals will be born BUT what i am asking WHAT is going to happen to the animals that are alive when the world goes vegan? there will be No money to feed them the farmer looses His Income Selling them Theres not enough sanctuarys to take them Or people to keep them as Pets WHAT IS GOING TO HAPPEN TO THEM??? that is the question everyone seems to me Missing? Are we going to have a mass Kill off? or let them slowly starve to death? or Are you going to Offer to pay the farmer to feed the Remaining cows,pigs sheep and Poultry tell they die of natural causes.. thats all i am asking How hard is that to answer???