Every pro lifer I’ve known has been a huge hypocrite. I can’t say this for all, just those who I know. Maybe they should call it “pro unborn babies”, as all “pro life” people I’ve met have not been in favor of living things. In any case, every one is different.. and again, I can only say this for the people who I have known to be pro life.

I think everyone made some great points, especially @VeganCaramel. Whoo, you on a roll, girl!

But seriously, I’m on the fence about the whole abortion debate. No matter how much people scoff, it IS true that WE – the cool kids at peta2 – were all itty bitty fetuses at one point in our lives. So I’m totally for women’s rights, but I’m also for something called CHANCES. I believe that no matter what, everyone at least deserves their fair CHANCE at life. Regardless of whether a fetus is a person, or can feel pain, etc… they still deserve their CHANCE.

All that being said, I still find myself pro-choice, just because I feel like the pendulum has the ability to swing in a whole ‘nother direction (such as forced abortions). We need our reproductive rights, yo!

I guess that was a bit of rant, just wanted to chime in.

I think this an interesting point that I haven’t thought of before. I think some people believe that they are superior to other beings because they can reason (however flawed their reasoning is). They also tend to believe that that fetus could become something beneficial to society (it could discover the cure to cancer, etc) whereas animals are only good as pets or food.

Most people disregard animals, which is very sad, but growing up in a bible-belt community, I was one of the few who was pro-choice. Most everyone else was pro-life and a meat eater, and for the death penalty. So go figure how all that works out… Babies live, and criminals and animals die… I think people just base opinions off of each other or religion or their own experiences, an no answer is completely right or completely wrong.

I agree.
They also tend to be supporters of the U.S. military’s murderous invasions of other countries.
Disturbing stuff.

@Styna lol I need to remember that story.

A bit off-topic, but I wanted to mention it for a bit of comical relief.
I was at the gas station yesterday, it was about 20 degrees out, and snowing like crazy. This very skinny girl, probably in her 20′s, was outside walking around in a t-shirt in shorts. My boyfriend and I were talking about her for a moment, about how she needs a coat and I happen to have extra coats I don’t need. So I considered offering her a coat, then out of nowhere I looked at him and was like “PRO-CHOICE! She can do whatever she wants to her body!!” *cough* I thought it was funny at the time.
Now that I’ve typed it out, I might want to consider going to therapy more often. Heh.

Back on the real topic – @VeganCaramel , I think you worded that very eloquently. I applaud you, ma’am.

I’m pro-choice, seeing how animals themselves need to be nuetered in modern day society due to overpopulation, and in my opinion we are overpopulated and if the mother cannot support her baby, will abandon her baby or the baby will risk health complications I completely support the mothers choice. Just how I will never attempt to force someone into veganism I will never force someone to legally be obligated to do something they dont want in their life.

You all have some interesting points and I love hearing from all of you.

I agree 100%. There are undoubtedly hypocrites, in fact most ARE hypocrites, that are very cative campaigners in pro-life campaigning and discussion and stuff. BUT, you have to flip it too. Are there not vegans and vegetarians who believe in a choice in abortion? Are there not vegans or vegetarians who face the situation of pregnancy with no way of raising the child, or who may not survive the birthing process?
Don’t get me wrong, I completely, entirely agree with what you’re saying, because it’s all true, and I believe the same thing. But it’s just something to think about. There’s always two sides of the story.
Also, another question: people look at abortion with such delicacy, such fervor at saving lives, but yet vegans and vegetarians are ridiculed, mocked, questioned, and looked down upon because they’re not doing the same as everyone else to save lives. Why is this? My belief: we don’t have enough media importance. We’re just a stereotype who are living their lives with compassion and undying love. It may never make sense, and I can’t imagine getting so much attention drawn to us as the abortion campaign people in my lifetime. It’s allllll media, and the majority of the people running the media are meat-eaters, because most people are meat-eaters, and on and on, everywhere in the world in important things.
Not sure if this got off topic, but I’m pretty passionate on my soapbox over here hahaa

There are a lot of reasons why I think the “pro-choice” mindset is better paired with veganism than the “pro-life” (anti-abortion) mindset. The number one guideline or rule of morality concerning abortion for the pro-choice advocate is that it is never our place to co-opt the body of another sentient being, to never inflict pain on those who can feel, think, and make their own decisions to any extent. A woman or person can do whatever she wishes with her body, and no individual is allowed to coerce or force someone’s body against their will.

Veganism is the exact same: You are allowed to do whatever you want with your body, eat and wear whatever you want, so long as that action does not impede on the life of another sentient being.

Veganism is a method of granting a form of personhood to animals (though the definition of personhood is a heavy debate). Pro-choice is retaining a woman/human’s personhood and rights to everything within her own body.

I hate the argument that compares the innocent life of already-born animals to the “innocent” life of an unfeeling, unthinking being that is growing inside of a person, not an inanimate incubator. I think pro-life is hypocritical in more ways than just meat-eating related ones. What do the pro-lifers say about single mothers they’ve forced to endure pregnancy? “She’s a drag on the system”, “she shouldn’t be a mother”, “she should give up her career”. What do they say about children in low-income households? “The poor shouldn’t be allowed to procreate”, “We can’t just give money away to those who don’t earn it”, “They’ll never get anywhere in life”. What about the lives of those who are forced into petty wars? “They died for our country”, “They died an honourable death”, “Someone has to do the job”. And what about those our own soldiers kill in wars? “It’s just protecting our country”, “It’s not murder, it’s just self-defense”.

There’s too many fallacies in the “pro-life” camp. Pro-life merely means anti-abortion. They stop being for life the moment the human leaves the womb, they stop being for life when they risk a mother’s life just to give birth, and they stop being for life when the victim of murder is outside our own small species.

I believe in ‘rights’ for everyone – humans and non-human animals. And it’s a woman’s human right to choose what happens to her body. Just as it’s an animal’s right to live free from cruelty.

@Styna I completely agree. I used to be a strong pro-lifer, but after I really started looking into it there are a lot of cases where it is necessary. A life of suffering is no life at all. Sometimes they can even save lives. Like you said though prevention is the best thing rather than using it as birth control. I hear you though. Loud and clear.

I have a huge beef with the pro-life vs pro-choice debate. I fully believe in pro-choice, but I often get verbally attacked for my opinion on it – as if by saying I’m pro-choice, I am saying “Abortions for everyone!! I love abortions! I wish I could have one every day!” Which simply isn’t the case. I’m not for abortions, I’m for a woman’s right to choose what to do with her own body. That’s not to say that I agree with using abortion as a form of birth control, because I know people who do that and I want to punch them in the face – but in all honesty, it’s none of my business what people do with their own bodies.
I do find it very hypocritical when someone is so strongly supportive of the pro-life side, but then heads to McDonald’s after their Planned Parenthood protest. It’s also been shocking to me how many pro-lifers think the death penalty should be an option everywhere for certain crimes.
Ok… so it’s not that you value only human life… but specific human life as well?
You’ll fight for the potential life of an unborn fetus, but fight for the death of a grown adult?
What happens when that fetus, which would have been aborted, is born to a mother who really didn’t want it? And then that kid grows up to be a murderer and is given the death sentence?
THEN WHAT?

Thats not to say that all pro-lifers are also for the death penalty. Just saying, I have met a SURPRISING amount -.-

So I’m sure people have thought of or heard this argument before. Whether you are pro-life or pro-choice here is the scoop. I know a lot of people at church including my own mother who are pro-choice (anti-abortion) whatever you want to call it. Why? People who are usually pro-life will argue that it is wrong to kill/murder an innocent life. So where is the fallacy? A lot of these people still eat meat. Meat of innocent animals. See the issue here? Personally, I think it’s very hypocritical. You can’t say you’re pro-life and then go killing innocent lives whether they are human or animal. Any comments?